QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by random49er:
He's a very accomplished QB,...lol. I dont really get how bringing up guys like Mahomes or Brady add ANYTHING to the discussion.

Let's bring up guys that are more around Brock's current level?

I didn't bring Mahomes into the convo, nor did I compare the 2 in any way. What are you crying about now?

The clear analogy of "look how good of a QB that Mahomes is and even he struggles with poor OL play or missing his key weapons" is so hard for him to acknowledge that he really has to go with the lazy "Brock isn't anywhere near Mahomes/Brady so the comparison is stupid" version.

It's such a simple point that I legit think anyone pushing back on it just wants to ignore it cuz it hurts their other arguments.

Originally posted by genus49:
He had large amounts of help yes but he also had a very poor OL during that year. Many QBs would've failed in that situation even with all the skill position guys.

2024 was a total team failure. When you have like 3-4 players who you can really say didn't regress from the year before - JJ, Kittle, Lenoir and McKivitz how do you expect a young QB to raise his game to a level that's not seen as regression?

Jalen Hurts didn't have a good regular season. You had AJ Brown calling out the passing game when they already clinched the playoffs. That was him with a great OL, dominant running game and terrific group of pass catchers around him.

He had a great playoff run and got the SB MVP and nobody cares. All because his team really put it all together and stayed healthy down the home stretch. Now I see people putting him in top 5 QB talks after the guy failed to get 3k yards passing on the season.

Nobody cares about his pieces during those talks.

what you are talking about on hurts is narrative or the hot take or the morning shows of steven A. i dont enjoy those programs, i like the actual football. i happen to like hurts, and i predicted his breakout before he had a mvp convo season, in the bold predictions thread. he just comes off very well how he handles himself, and clearly has athletic gifts. he's an all time QB at running the football. brock i think has 100% the drive, the attitude, the calm out there during games. he handles himself very well also. i don't have concerns there. i have been all in on brock, but this past year was tough to watch. he just didnt play well and the arm was frustrating me all season. it's just not good going into contract talks, although on the plus side, maybe we get a more team friendly deal? mike sando is a good name if you have enjoyed 49ers for a while, he used to cover our division i believe, he had a similar take to what i am saying here.

Has anyone here ever expected Mahomes to have his #1 WR put up "Tyrique Hill" numbers without Tyrique Hill? A defensive line kicking a$$ can wreck an OL on a team with limited weapons? Something we've known for quite some time too,...so no surprises there.

But from our 6-11 season,...I get nothing from it. That wasn't 11 losses vs. the Eagles.

Originally posted by genus49:

The clear analogy of "look how good of a QB that Mahomes is and even he struggles with poor OL play or missing his key weapons" is so hard for him to acknowledge that he really has to go with the lazy "Brock isn't anywhere near Mahomes/Brady so the comparison is stupid" version.

It's such a simple point that I legit think anyone pushing back on it just wants to ignore it cuz it hurts their other arguments.

Yea, that's obvious lol

Then when you bring up qbs he compares to, Brock can't be paid like them because they're 1st rounders

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by genus49:
The clear analogy of "look how good of a QB that Mahomes is and even he struggles with poor OL play or missing his key weapons" is so hard for him to acknowledge that he really has to go with the lazy "Brock isn't anywhere near Mahomes/Brady so the comparison is stupid" version.

It's such a simple point that I legit think anyone pushing back on it just wants to ignore it cuz it hurts their other arguments.

Yea, that's obvious lol

Then when you bring up qbs he compares to, Brock can't be paid like them because they're 1st rounders

Being a "simple" point doesn't = being a good one.

Context (that clouds things) decides what's really what.

What is the context? If we're going to compare 1 game from KC's season (their last vs. the NFC Winner),...let's compare it to 1 game or loss of ours. I mean we have 11 to choose from? The Dolphins didnt compare to the Eagles defensively, but were like 4th,...so let's give our guy a pass for them.

But an entire season??

Originally posted by random49er:

...during a 17-2 year? We're going to harp on 1 last game against the best defense and best team in the league? And this somehow makes a case to explain Brock -- a guy that is nowhere in his zip code, athletically or historically?

We understand "why" he can be brought up. It just doesn't make any sense in explaining our abysmal performance while limping to 6-11. There's just no connection at all, but by all means, you can keep making the point.

Mahomes could be the GOAT or top 3 all time. But, he s**t the bed in the Super Bowl.

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by random49er:
...during a 17-2 year? We're going to harp on 1 last game against the best defense and best team in the league? And this somehow makes a case to explain Brock -- a guy that is nowhere in his zip code, athletically or historically?

We understand "why" he can be brought up. It just doesn't make any sense in explaining our abysmal performance while limping to 6-11. There's just no connection at all, but by all means, you can keep making the point.

Mahomes could be the GOAT or top 3 all time. But, he s**t the bed in the Super Bowl.

Yep. They had no answers.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by genus49:
He had large amounts of help yes but he also had a very poor OL during that year. Many QBs would've failed in that situation even with all the skill position guys.

2024 was a total team failure. When you have like 3-4 players who you can really say didn't regress from the year before - JJ, Kittle, Lenoir and McKivitz how do you expect a young QB to raise his game to a level that's not seen as regression?

Jalen Hurts didn't have a good regular season. You had AJ Brown calling out the passing game when they already clinched the playoffs. That was him with a great OL, dominant running game and terrific group of pass catchers around him.

He had a great playoff run and got the SB MVP and nobody cares. All because his team really put it all together and stayed healthy down the home stretch. Now I see people putting him in top 5 QB talks after the guy failed to get 3k yards passing on the season.

Nobody cares about his pieces during those talks.

what you are talking about on hurts is narrative or the hot take or the morning shows of steven A. i dont enjoy those programs, i like the actual football. i happen to like hurts, and i predicted his breakout before he had a mvp convo season, in the bold predictions thread. he just comes off very well how he handles himself, and clearly has athletic gifts. he's an all time QB at running the football. brock i think has 100% the drive, the attitude, the calm out there during games. he handles himself very well also. i don't have concerns there. i have been all in on brock, but this past year was tough to watch. he just didnt play well and the arm was frustrating me all season. it's just not good going into contract talks, although on the plus side, maybe we get a more team friendly deal? mike sando is a good name if you have enjoyed 49ers for a while, he used to cover our division i believe, he had a similar take to what i am saying here.

The reason to bring up other QBs is to draw comparisons and sometimes more about the situation vs the players themselves.

It's not a coincidence that the one time Chiefs got an unblocked rusher on Jalen that he threw a terrible pick in scoring range.

The reason to bring up his play is how easy it is for people to ignore things like that when the team wins. The narrative(whether you think it's right or not) is clear now, including in several threads on here.

Hurts won a SB so he's money well spent. Brock didn't so we're haggling over what we think he should get paid.

Be honest with yourself - had Brock won the SB last year would you be worried as much about his contract…even after this past season?

Hurts' situation is probably the best comparison to Brock. They have different limitations in their game but both have great players around him.

Eagles and Jalen show you can pay a limited QB and build a SB roster around him.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:
Draft position is irrelevant at this point. It isn't a negotiation factor.

Brock was arguably the best deep ball passer in 2023. Your opinion on his arm is garbage.

i watched 2024 and he was just doing floaters all season. this was confirmed by at least a dozen or more posters in here all saying the same thing, that his arm is off or he's got less on the ball. so i felt that way, and probably 20 or more separate posters all confirmed it. ppl even said maybe he's injured or something is wrong medically. that's how poor his passes were in terms of really throwing with some heat on it.

I was finally able to go to a game this year, which was the rams game in the rain. His arm sucks. It was really evident live, and when comparing it to stafford. And don't get me started on that interception in the end zone

Stafford played way worse in that game. You were there and still don't know what you're watching? Literally Stafford wasn't doing a thing until Greenlaw went out of the game and we started having breakdowns in coverage.

And that interception was him throwing with anticipation when he was pressured and JJ got interfered with without a call coming in. Had nothing to do with his lack of arm.

This is why I keep asking some of you guys to bring up specific plays showing his lack of arm being a problem. You mentioned a play that isn't related to arm strength. Gotta realize when it's an arm limitation issue and when it's something different.

Brock understands his arm well. Jimmy thought his arm was a lot better than it was an we had many a play where he'd make a throw he had no business making for terrible results.

I never said who played better. I was specifically referring to arm strength if you read my post

Originally posted by random49er:
Has anyone here ever expected Mahomes to have his #1 WR put up "Tyrique Hill" numbers without Tyrique Hill? A defensive line kicking a$$ can wreck an OL on a team with limited weapons? Something we've known for quite some time too,...so no surprises there.

But from our 6-11 season,...I get nothing from it. That wasn't 11 losses vs. the Eagles.

Mahomes put up big numbers without Tyreek Hill.

The Chiefs won due to complimentary football, not because Mahomes was Superman.

We had this conversation before and you tried to just point to the team record and claim stats don't show what Mahomes brings to the table. And while I didn't disagree with that the SB reminded everyone what even an elite QB looks like when things just don't go well across the board or one unit can't compensate for the failures of another.

Chiefs had poor OL play, guys dropping passes, bad penalties, tough playcalling, defense missing tackles or couldn't get through the Eagles pass pro and suddenly not only do they lose but absolutely get their ass handed to them.

The whole "elite QBs can get by without top tier talent around them" looked like an afterthought and ironically against a limited QB who got a "highest paid QB" deal who was surrounded by great talent and two WRs getting big $.

If that doesn't scream that 49ers can keep building around Brock after paying him and still win then I don't know what will.

Originally posted by random49er:

Being a "simple" point doesn't = being a good one.

Context (that clouds things) decides what's really what.

What is the context? If we're going to compare 1 game from KC's season (their last vs. the NFC Winner),...let's compare it to 1 game or loss of ours. I mean we have 11 to choose from? The Dolphins didnt compare to the Eagles defensively, but were like 4th,...so let's give our guy a pass for them.

But an entire season??

You're talking about teams when we talk about record. He was talking about QBs. Maybe that's where he's losing you?

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:
Draft position is irrelevant at this point. It isn't a negotiation factor.

Brock was arguably the best deep ball passer in 2023. Your opinion on his arm is garbage.

i watched 2024 and he was just doing floaters all season. this was confirmed by at least a dozen or more posters in here all saying the same thing, that his arm is off or he's got less on the ball. so i felt that way, and probably 20 or more separate posters all confirmed it. ppl even said maybe he's injured or something is wrong medically. that's how poor his passes were in terms of really throwing with some heat on it.

I was finally able to go to a game this year, which was the rams game in the rain. His arm sucks. It was really evident live, and when comparing it to stafford. And don't get me started on that interception in the end zone

Stafford played way worse in that game. You were there and still don't know what you're watching? Literally Stafford wasn't doing a thing until Greenlaw went out of the game and we started having breakdowns in coverage.

And that interception was him throwing with anticipation when he was pressured and JJ got interfered with without a call coming in. Had nothing to do with his lack of arm.

This is why I keep asking some of you guys to bring up specific plays showing his lack of arm being a problem. You mentioned a play that isn't related to arm strength. Gotta realize when it's an arm limitation issue and when it's something different.

Brock understands his arm well. Jimmy thought his arm was a lot better than it was an we had many a play where he'd make a throw he had no business making for terrible results.

I never said who played better. I was specifically referring to arm strength if you read my post

Yes and the play you mentioned had nothing to do with arm strength.

I don't think there is any question that Brock's arm is limited. The question is does it limit OUR offense and I don't believe it does save on like maybe 10% of plays. Plays that if you're performing well at the other 90% you won't have to get to.

Originally posted by genus49:
The reason to bring up other QBs is to draw comparisons and sometimes more about the situation vs the players themselves.

It's not a coincidence that the one time Chiefs got an unblocked rusher on Jalen that he threw a terrible pick in scoring range.

The reason to bring up his play is how easy it is for people to ignore things like that when the team wins. The narrative(whether you think it's right or not) is clear now, including in several threads on here.

Hurts won a SB so he's money well spent. Brock didn't so we're haggling over what we think he should get paid.

Be honest with yourself - had Brock won the SB last year would you be worried as much about his contract…even after this past season?

Hurts' situation is probably the best comparison to Brock. They have different limitations in their game but both have great players around him.

Eagles and Jalen show you can pay a limited QB and build a SB roster around him.

had brock won, it's ifs and buts. i mean what if jimmy won? the kc super bowls are very similar. we got 20 points in 4 quarters and we got 19 in four quarters. in both cases, it's we gotta play perfect. we gotta not fumble with christian. we gotta not muff the punt in special teams. we need the O, the D and ST to play a pretty flawless game. we could have won with jimmy if we defended 3rd and 15. that sounds a lot like we could have beat KC if we blocked chris jones. i think we do have to ask ourselves, is brock simply jimmy 2.0?

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
had brock won, it's ifs and buts. i mean what if jimmy won? the kc super bowls are very similar. we got 20 points in 4 quarters and we got 19 in four quarters. in both cases, it's we gotta play perfect. we gotta not fumble with christian. we gotta not muff the punt in special teams. we need the O, the D and ST to play a pretty flawless game. we could have won with jimmy if we defended 3rd and 15. that sounds a lot like we could have beat KC if we blocked chris jones. i think we do have to ask ourselves, is brock simply jimmy 2.0?

I'm sorry but nobody serious should be asking this.

Jimmy barely had to do anything to get us into the SB. He played a much weaker KC defense in their first year under Spags and couldn't get us first downs let alone points in the 4th quarter in what his 6th season in the NFL?

We don't get to the SB without Brock last season and he's facing a much tougher defense with a much weaker OL blocking for him and got us the lead every time in the 4th quarter and in OT. He did that in his 2nd season in the NFL after a major elbow injury as a rookie.

They should not be compared in the playoffs at all.

And had the 49ers D played at the level of the Eagles, hell, had we just gotten the same level
of officiating. We win that game. Which is why the "he won so he's better" stuff lacks context.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

had brock won, it's ifs and buts. i mean what if jimmy won? the kc super bowls are very similar. we got 20 points in 4 quarters and we got 19 in four quarters. in both cases, it's we gotta play perfect. we gotta not fumble with christian. we gotta not muff the punt in special teams. we need the O, the D and ST to play a pretty flawless game. we could have won with jimmy if we defended 3rd and 15. that sounds a lot like we could have beat KC if we blocked chris jones. i think we do have to ask ourselves, is brock simply jimmy 2.0?

Brock played the better defense with a worse OL. Even cmc couldn't do anything, so it's not comparable

And playoff games are close. Doesn't make the QBs on the losing side Jimmy 2.0, no matter how desperate you are to make the correlation for Brock